Your location: The Papier Mache ResourceForum

Forum

Note: The forum uses a separate login system to the galleries.

You are not logged in.

Options

Flour

#1 2007-10-15 13:42:42

Shali
Member
From: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Registered: 2007-09-30
Posts: 63

Flour

Hi everybody!

I'd like to know the importance of putting flour in PM pulp recipies.
My pulp has only paper and PVA glue. I have seen many recipies and most of them has flour. Can anyone tell me about?

Have a very good week. Thank you in advance.
Shali


Today is a beautiful and blessed day!!!

Offline

 

#2 2007-10-15 20:32:07

CatPerson
Moderator
From: Washington State, U.S.A.
Registered: 2006-01-09
Posts: 1314

Re: Flour

There is no reason to use flour as an adhesive in papier mache unless you specifically want to include it.

Flour really has only two benefits: it's cheap and it's non-toxic. This makes it an adequate adhesive for small children, and if they eat it, no harm is done.

It also has some negative qualities: it can attract insects and rodents, as it is a grain product. It MUST be sealed against moisture. And once mixed, it has a short life before it molds, so if you use it, make small batches. You may be able to refrigerate it for as long as a week, but why bother?

Personally, I don't use it anymore, by itself or with anything else.

Sue

Offline

 

#3 2007-10-15 23:51:28

Shali
Member
From: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Registered: 2007-09-30
Posts: 63

Re: Flour

Many thanks Sue.


Today is a beautiful and blessed day!!!

Offline

 

#4 2007-10-21 18:43:17

dopapier
Moderator
From: UK
Registered: 2004-12-04
Posts: 754

Re: Flour

Also, flour can become brittle and absorbs moisture readily.  The best paste (in my opinion) is methyl cellulose.  It is used in wallpaper paste but pesticides and sometimes insecticides are added so if you can get the pure stuff - which comes in a very fine powder - that would be best.
Mixed with about 25% volume of PVA, it makes a wonderful paste for both laminating and pulping.
DavidO


I'm a PM addict

Offline

 

#5 2007-10-22 01:41:31

Shali
Member
From: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Registered: 2007-09-30
Posts: 63

Re: Flour

Dopapier:

As I don't speak English well, I need to translate some words you have written. Unfortunately I don't understand everything you wrote but I'll try to do it.
Anyway, thank you for your reply and as soon as I translate I'll let you know and, maybe, I'll have more questions!!! ;-))))))


Today is a beautiful and blessed day!!!

Offline

 

#6 2007-10-26 02:10:42

Shali
Member
From: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Registered: 2007-09-30
Posts: 63

Re: Flour

Hi David:

Now I've understood your message and I have to say:

01-I'm not sure where I can find (if I can) methyl cellulose here in Brazil. Where do you find there?

02-Could you please explain what does "wallpaper paste" mean? It was not possible to me to find the definition in portuguese. I have seen this word many times but I couldn't understand.

Thank you for your attention.

Shali


Today is a beautiful and blessed day!!!

Offline

 

#7 2007-10-26 04:57:19

CatPerson
Moderator
From: Washington State, U.S.A.
Registered: 2006-01-09
Posts: 1314

Re: Flour

Wallpaper  paste = 'Cola para tapetes' ? Papel that is put on muros with colagem, for decoração. The colagem is called Metilcelulose.

(Please, this is from a dictionary, so I hope you understand, as I don't speak Portuguese.)

Sue

Offline

 

#8 2007-10-26 11:44:35

Shali
Member
From: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Registered: 2007-09-30
Posts: 63

Re: Flour

Fantastic Sue!!! Really. Thank you. It's totaly understandble.
Now it's ok. ;-)))))))))

Have a nice weekend.
Shali


Today is a beautiful and blessed day!!!

Offline

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB
© Copyright 2002–2005 Rickard Andersson