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Hey my favorite friends!
My latest projects have me papier-maching over tin cans. I have noticed newer tin cans have plastic inside them now covering the tin can.
I was just wondering if anyone else has done papier-maching over tin cans before and if there is anything I need to watch out for? (Do I have to worry about my project rusting?)
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That depends on the material your "tin" can is made from. Most modern cans are either aluminium or steel. Best checking system is to hold your can to a magnet. If it wont stick then it is aluminium, this will not rust. I don't know about in the US but here most drinks cans are made from aluminium where as most food cans are made from pressed or rolled steel.
(My father in law is Professor of Metallurgy he knows about these things!)
I would say that you should have little problems with aluminium oxidising as it is pretty unreactive and has the benefit of light weight.
Steel food cans are coated on the inside to prevent oxidisation (rusting to you and me) before the canning process starts. When washed out this shows up as a mattish, often pinky coating. The outsides are not and therefore will rust if exposed to water and oxygen.
I suggest that you wash and dry the can thoroughly and give it a good blast with a hairdryer at the end to check it is really dry. Then when sure that there is no water in the can I would coat it with PVA/White Glue. This is an excellent sealer and will also act as a key when you want to apply the PM to the can. To be on the safe side I would give at least 2 coats of PVA inside and out before adding the PM and drive the brush into all the crevices. I would also refrain from diluting the PVA as the less H2O you add the better. If you wanted to be really sure you have sealed the can properly then a metal paint primer would be best (Hammerite in the UK make most of them). However you are getting into the region of nasty solvents with these so I would avoid them if possible.
Give it a go. To be honest the most likely thing to happen to your project if you get some rusting is a red brown stain seeping through to the surface and spoiling your finish.
Let us know how you get on.
Charlotte
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I would try to stick to aluminum cans or plastic bottles as armatures. Although you might be able to paint the cans to seal them, and then work on top of that. But I've never tried it.
I learned long ago that once rust begins, it usually doesn't stop.
Sue
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Hi Bbee
If you don't mind me asking what are you going to do with these cans and are you covering inside and out.
Sue.
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newmodeller: Thanks for all the well thought-out information! I had already started my project when I got your answer - because I will definitely try your white glue suggestion for next time.
CatPerson: Thanks for your experienced advice. I take it you have tried to papier-mache over tin cans too?
snoozysnowshoes: I need some storage containers around the house, so I figured I'd just make use of tin cans to do it. I am going to put two tin cans open sides together and make a lip in between them out of cardboard so they stay together. (Did that make any sense at all? It seemed to in my head, but I wasn't so sure when I wrote it down )
I am planning on covering them inside and out, but it is easier to say and trickier to do it seems.
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I hope it works for you. I would be very careful about using them for food storage. Most of the varnishes that are used for waterproofing aren't really any good for food as the solvents would taint, even dry goods.
It might be worth contacting a local woodworker (or maybe a forum) for someone who turns wood to make containers. They would be able to suggest to you the safe sealants for food.
I have been thinking along similar lines to you, but in my case I have been thinking about using the plastic cartons that posh ice cream comes in. The ones I have been saving have a handy lip to anchor PM into and the plastic interior is safe for dry goods. I planned to make a rice pot, coffee caddy.
Let us know how you get on
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newmodeller: Oh, I am not using them for food storage. I am so sorry that I miscommunicated that. I am just using them for random storage - you know like pens, and other little things like that so I can keep things looking tidy.
For food storage I currently use recycled glass jars, or food safe plastic buckets.
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Butterbee, I didn't PM over them, I was using one as a dipper for white glue out of a larger container. The can started rusting before the glue was dried. I may miss subtle clues, but when I'm hit in the face with something, I tend to see it quite clearly.
Sue
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Hi all
How about varnishing them first. I am trying to think of a coating without any water base, because even straight PVA will start the rust off.
I use recycled jars and bottles which I cover in PM or the insides of carpet rolls there great tubes for storage. I have some pending in the over coat (oh sorry studio ).
I know what its like though you want to find a use for everything. If the storage pot idea doesn't work out get a hammer and some different ended screwdrivers and a block of wood and make lanterns. A friend and I use to make all sorts of stuff from tin cans by cutting them up and copper riveting them together. We made candle boxes, small chests, fancy pots, lanterns. I even made jewellery out of them.We use to throw them in to a fire and take them out when they were black and buff them with a cloth it gave them a nice colour (steel cans only). At the end of the day you can just recycle them and not feel bad about it.
Sue
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Sue is has a point there actually, we should really recycle the steel and aluminium waste that we have. This is the one recycling process that uses the same amount of energy to use as it does to process the raw material. (My father in law again! )
It is criminal to think of the quantity of metal human beings have landfilled over the years.
I will get down off my soapbox now and go back to wielding a drill over my dolls neck joints
Charlotte
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My little can storage container turned out really well. So well that when most people see it they are shocked to find out that it is made out of cans.
No rust yet, but it has only been a little over a month. I didn't treat the cans before I started, I just went for it. I am thinking about maybe varnishing them first for next time - just to see if there is a difference months from now with whether or not they rust.
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Hi Bbee
All sounds good but where's the pic's
Sue.
p.s Have you got a gallery space ?
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snoozysnowshoes: You are right. I really should take some pictures of the tin can container I made. I'll try to do that later this week.
You caught me, I actually don't have a gallery space. I have a case of the 'not good enoughs'. I never want to post anything I make in one of those swanky gallery places we have on the site because I figure since I am a beginner that everything I make isn't good enough to post in there yet.
I know it is silly, but I figured I'd start one once I improve. :oops:
I do love going through everyone one else's gallery though. I always check the galleries at least once every couple of days to see if anyone has posted anything new.
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