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First time PM user trying to make a mask

#1 2007-02-16 17:28:54

Chill_Penguin
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First time PM user trying to make a mask

Hi everyone, I am a college student attempting to make a kabuki mask for a theatre project I am on. I have been on your forums for the last 3 days reading as much as possible on PM, smoothing, gesso, and the like and have found a wealth of knowledge. For that reason alone let me say thank you to all of you. My question is most likely simple to all of you but I have no idea what to do: How do I make this mask well? I have an old plastic jason mask (horror hockey), some artist gesso, and 35 coarse sandpaper that I was going to use. Can PM work over the jason mask (which I would like to use as a base to build upon) and if so what kind of PM would be best? I have to finish by Sunday night so I have plenty of time I feel. I want to get a smooth design and heard gesso was the way to go but I am kind of confused on the overall process. I would be happy to post the final product to see how it measures up. Thanks again for the great forum.

- Angelius of Boston College

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#2 2007-02-16 17:40:17

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Hi,

I would have thought that as long as you are happy with the mould then any mask will serve as the base.  When I have made masks in the past I have used modrock (plaster impregnated bandage) but the principle should word for both that and PM.

I personally would layer strips of newspaper and fine paste (wallpaper paste suits well as it tends to mix up very smoothly. 

make sure that your form has a release covering, I tend to use petroleum jelly as it is cheap and covers all the crevices.  I understand that plastic film, ie food / cling film works.

layer about 5-7 layers of PM over the form and allow to dry thoroughly.  Once hard paint a thin layer of PVA over it. I got this tip from Dopapier, a big thanks to him, it allows your form to retain its shape. 

I would then build up the shape of your kabuki face with pulp.  Allow to dry and sand down where appropriate.  Finish with a layer of gesso, this can either be rabbitskin size and ground chalk mix, which is the traditional gesso.  Or I have experimented with a mix of half water, half pva and plaster of paris.  This does give a good finish and is very sandable.  The only draw back is that you can only work on small bits at a time as the hardener in the plaster of paris makes it unworkable very quickly.  The upside is that it dries on your piece quickly and can be sanded within a few hours.

Finally paint, I use acrylic, and then varnish to stop chipping.
I hope this helps, The others may have other suggestions. Best of luck and we look forward to seeing the pictures.

Charlotte


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#3 2007-02-16 18:02:41

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Sorry perhaps I was a little vague. I wanted to put the PM over the mask I just didn't know if the PM would be able to stick. Also what is PVA? Sorry to ask but I have yet to come across it in the forum yet. I was going to put PM on the mask and then sand it smooth once I got the shape I want.

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#4 2007-02-16 18:50:57

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Sorry, PVA is the UK shorthand for white glue.  The liquid plastic adhesive that dries clear.  It can be used as a variety of things, primer, sealant or adhesive, it will even serve as gloss "varnish" (particularly useful with children's projects as it washes off / peels off their hands).

Re: PM sticking to your mask.  I suspect that will depend upon what your mask is made of.  I would think that you will have to glue a base over it first.  I know that a number of the PM artists on this site have used plastic bottles as the base for a piece but I think that the bottle is completely encased.  Which could be the answer, if you cover all of the mask with 1-2 layers of PM and then layer some more to the front before using the paper pulp to build up any features you need it should work.

What do others think?

Best of luck,
Charlotte


www.pawtraits.co.uk
www.puppetsndolls.etsy.com
Papiermache.co.uk gallery: Charlotte Hills

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#5 2007-02-16 21:23:47

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

If you find any terms used that you are not sure about, have a look in the Glossay: http://www.papiermache.co.uk/exec/cms-glossary We've tried to put the most commonly used ones in there. If anyone thinks of anything else we should add, please let me know.


Jackie

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#6 2007-02-17 03:08:24

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

If you mean you need it by Sunday the 18th, two days from now, I don't see how you could get it finished in time.  It's the drying time that is the killer.

Your best bet for adhesive that dries pretty fast is methylcellulose wallpaper paste.  There are other kinds made from flour, and the vinyl kind, neither of which would be very suitable.  Make it quite thin, about the consistency of eggwhite, not thick.

Get ready several pieces of paper about the size of your outstretched hand, apply a thin layer of adhesive with a brush all over one piece at a time and press it onto your mask.  All you really need first is a base layer to attach more PM to.  Cover the whole mask, and make sure that your paper goes around all the edges and is pressed onto the inside of the mask.  One good, overlapped layer all over should be enough.  Put it in front of a fan and get dried as fast as you can.

As soon as it's dry (it won't feel clammy), coat it with a layer of PVA (white) craft glue, or spray with a couple of coats of shellac (real is best, but synthetic will do).  When it's dry, start building up your mask as you want.  You will need to use strip layering, as I don't think you've got time for pulp to dry.

If you need some areas built up heavily, crumple up some aluminum foil and shape it just like you need it, and attach to base with strips of paper and your adhesive.

If you haven't got a fan for drying it, you'd best borrow one, or it may stay damp for a week.

Since time is your enemy with this project, you don't want to build up thick layers of anything:  no thick glue, no thick pulp, no thick, multiple layers of paper.  All of those take too long to dry.

When the piece is dry, you can sand it, gesso it, and paint it.

Better start now.

p.s.  Since this has a plastic base under it, you CANNOT put it in the oven to dry.  The plastic will melt and become distorted, taking your damp PM with it.  Also, heating plastic produces toxic fumes.

Sue

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#7 2007-02-17 12:33:57

Seeria
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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Since this goes on the face, and PM not thoroughly dried becomes moldy, I'd say make sure it's very dry before someone uses it.

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#8 2007-02-17 15:44:44

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Well I bought some quick drying wallpaper paste and some water to water it down a bit but I wanted to ask about the quickdrying paste. I saw some in the store that said it would dry in a half hour, could I use paste like that for my mask? It would be great to finish it in one day.

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#9 2007-02-17 16:22:21

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

The best you can do is try.  I would put on a single layer and then let it dry for the requisite 1/2 hour, then repeat, wait and repeat.  What is your weather like where you are?  If it's sunny and breezy try drying outside.

If it is like the weather here, cold damp and grey then you could try what I sometimes do and hang the piece from a coathanger in the window.  I have a radiator under one window so I open the window and allow the convection currents from the warm air to draw out over the piece.


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#10 2007-02-17 18:53:47

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Actually it isn't looking too bad. I mean if i can just apply gesso after and sand to smooth than this could work. I will post some before and after pics. I had make a negative with the mask for it to work because the paste wouldn't stick. About the gesso, how many coats do people usually use? I have 3 layers of PM right now and want 2 more before my gesso but after I have no idea how to apply or even sand the gesso.

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#11 2007-02-17 23:49:19

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

I use a mix of 1/2  white glue, 1/2 water and enough plaster of paris to  mix to the consistency of very thick cream , I then paint it on using a very thick watercolour wash brush.  I make it in small batches as the plaster setting agent dries quickly.  I usually leave the whole thing overnight before sanding, painting and varnishing.
For the sanding I start with surform or file, then fine sandpaper and finish with wire wool.

I have never worked with proper gesso as the cost of rabbit skin size here is so high.  But I find the above mix works very well and so far any domestic varnish for standard exterior application finishes the piece nicely.


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#12 2007-02-27 22:54:57

Chill_Penguin
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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Hello everyone. The mask went really well and I just wanted to say thank you and I would like to post pictures but I have no idea where to.

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#13 2007-02-27 23:01:28

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Re: First time PM user trying to make a mask

Glad the mask went well. You can show your work in the galleries if you would like to. Click here for the details:
http://www.papiermache.co.uk/exec/cms-gallery/p-join/

Looking forward to seeing it.


Jackie

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